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Old 6th December 2008, 02:30 PM   #1
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Question Repeating Keywords Too Much? --> ok, I meant tags not keywords

Hi everyone,

I have done some research regarding the importance of keywords, as well as the do's and don'ts, but there is one thing I haven't found an answer for.
Here is my dilemna:
1. Do's - use keywords that are the most relevant
2. Don'ts - do not use the same keyword more than once or twice

Now, my website is about dance. It is a dance network with online dance classes.
The kind of keywords I would use all have the word "dance" in it! For example: "dancers", "dance classes", "dance lessons", "dance news", etc...
I cannot just put "classes", "lessons" or "news", because then it is way too vague. But would I get penalized for using the word "dance" too often?

Thank you for reading my post and hopefully someone can help me out

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Old 6th December 2008, 03:09 PM   #2
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Short answer : NO. If you are using the word in a naturally way you won't. In fact using the word dance through your entire website will help define the main theme of your website and will say to Google : I'm all about dancing.

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Old 7th December 2008, 02:46 PM   #3
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Great, thank you for the quick response. It does make it a lot easier for my industry field!

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Old 7th December 2008, 08:28 PM   #4
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The rule of thumb is don't make a keyword more than about 5%-10% of your total word count. Much more than that could appear to be "unnatural" and hurt you.

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Old 7th December 2008, 11:42 PM   #5
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Alright, so since most of the keywords relevant to my site include the word "dance", I should put less keywords?

These are some of the keywords I am currently using for my homepage:
dance, danceplug, learn to dance, online dance classes, dance lessons, dance videos, hip hop videos, ballet, tap, dance network, so you think you can dance, ...

So what Limozine tells me is that my current keywords above are hurting me because the word "dance" appears more than 5-10% of my total of 25 words. Right?

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Old 8th December 2008, 07:32 AM   #6
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No. He was talking about the keyword density in an article. But lets think like this. A minimum word count, of relevant text, has to be 200. 10% represents 20 words. Do you think you can say "dance" every 20 words and have a "human like text". From my experience I've only got 8% and I was mentioning that keyword a lot. So, if you're gonna write for a human you wont have to be worried.

Take a look at this article to see where does it really matter to place keywords in your article :
http://blog.tomabonciu.ro/how-to-use...-on-your-page/

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Old 8th December 2008, 10:10 AM   #7
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Don't get hung up on precise percentages of so-called "keyword density" and exact placement of phrases on your page. Those are both hallmarks of a kind of "paint by numbers" formulaic SEO that used to be popular several years ago.

At the time, it was thought that by "simply" reverse engineering the SE's algorithms, one could reliably produce pages that would always rank well in the SEs. Whether SEO-by-numbers ever really worked is debatable, but the bottom line is that most old-school algo-chasers have come around to the understanding that with something like 200 ranking factors in play at any given time and over 400 algorithm updates being processed per year, trying to keep up with the algos is a losing proposition.

Not to mention, as it turns out, with as many different variables as the SEs measure, the "ideal" percentage of various page elements is different for each individual page. There are no hard-and-fast numbers you can point to that will always work in every situation. What would be severe keyword overkill for one page works just fine for another, and might even be under-use for a third.

It's a much better idea to simply try to create excellent web pages.

What are the search engines trying to do with all these algo-tweaks and ranking criteria and all? They're trying write a formula that can "think" like a real human searcher so they can give the human searchers what they want. And what do human searchers want? Pages that answer their questions; pages that inform or entertain them; high-quality content that's worth the time they spend reading or viewing it.

So bonciutoma had some good advice: write for humans. Give those seachers the kind of things they're looking for.

So first off, look at your pages. Do you see the word(s) you're concerned about jumping off the page all over the place? If you highlight the word or phrase in question, does the page light up like the proverbial Christmas tree? Or does the level of usage seem appropriate given the topic of the page and the way in which the words have been integrated into the overall page layout and visual design?

The easiest way to test the actual article content for keyword over-use is to read the copy out loud and see if it sounds crappy to your (human) ears. Better yet, read it into a voice recorder of some sort. Let it sit overnight, then listen the next day to the recording you made. If it sounds to you as though you're repeating the same words over and over and over and over, then it's going to sound the same way to your site visitors. And that's A Bad Thing.

The SE's tolerance for keyword repetition is much, much higher than the average human site visitor. By the time you get to the point where you've stuffed it too much for the SE's to tolerate, you will long ago have driven off every human visitor.

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Old 8th December 2008, 01:32 PM   #8
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Question Got confused between keywords and tags!

Thank you all for the help... it actually taught me the big difference between keywords and tags!!! In my original message above, I actually meant tags (meta tags?).
So, I learnt a lot about keywords, placement in pages, etc...
Now, I am asking the same questions about tags :-(

I'm such a newbie!

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If you're asking about the META keywords tag, you can ignore it. Google doesn't even index it, and Yahoo, while they index it, they give it such incredibly miniscule weight that it might as well not be indexed there, either.

You can include whatever you want in that tag and it will have precisely zero effect on your Google rankings. (Since they don't index it, there's no way it can have any effect.)

I know there are some SEOs who just can't seem to accept this, so you'll occasionally run across an article explaining the "correct" way to use this tag, or you'll see a company charging an arm and a leg for "optimizing" their clients' keywords META tags.

A long, long time ago the META keywords tag was useful, and it's just really really hard for some folks to wrap their brain around the idea that it got spammed into oblivion years ago and no longer has any value to the major SEs at all. But seriously, I know some very smart people who have tested this multiple times. You simply do not need to worry about the keyword META tag at all. Use it if you want. Don't use it if you don't. Include whatever you like. Have a party with it. It will neither hurt you nor help you in the slightest.

That's probably why you weren't getting many answers that involved the keywords META.

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You are writing for a human and the text needs to flow and be understandable.

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