Welcome to the Small Business Ideas Forum! We are a community of over 70,000 small business folks with over 120,000 posts for you to browse. We pride ourselves on being the friendliest forum you will find and we'd love to have you as a member of our community. Please take a moment and register for a free account. If you need any help, please contact Chris Logan.

Small Business Ideas Forum

Small Business Ideas Forum

A friendly place to share small business ideas and knowledge, ask questions, find help and encourage others that are involved in the small business industry. Topics include small business marketing, generating revenue and small business computing.

Go Back   Small Business Ideas Forum > Small Business Marketing - Online > Link Development
Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 22nd July 2007, 09:37 PM   #1
SeattleCPA
VIP Contributor
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle, Washington
Posts: 203
Default How Long For Links To Take Effect?

Say, I have a question, which I thought I knew the answer to... but which as time goes by, I just scratch my head more and more... Simply stated, as of summer 2007, is there a consensus as to how long search engines take to recognize and reward links.

BTW, totally willing to make a fool of myself, I would have answered this question myself by saying something like, "Well, as I understand it, Google reportedly updates for backlinks continuously... so it should happen pretty quickly. Remember, though, that it may be a while before Google re-visits the site that's added the links... so, oh shoot, I don't know, say as a wild guess, a few weeks."

Recently, though, I've started to wonder if it isn't all slightly more complicated than this. E.g., maybe it's like that great book, "Logic of Failure" where there's also a time delay on the thermostat...

Anybody want to share a comment on this?

__________________
Steve Nelson, Publisher, www dot llcsexplained dot com and www dot fasteasyincorporationkits dot com.
SeattleCPA is offline   Reply With Quote
Register or log in to remove this ad.
Old 23rd July 2007, 09:48 AM   #2
torka
Moderator
 
torka's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Triangle area, NC, USA, North America, Earth (usually)
Posts: 3,001

Search Engine Guide Blogger

Default

I don't think there's any one standard answer. How quickly they will notice the link depends on how often they spider the page the link is on, which can be a highly variable number depending on their perceived "importance" of the page and how often, generally speaking, the page changes.

How quickly the link, once noticed, will start to count in your favor could range from "nearly immediately" to "never." Google has never claimed they allow every link to pass PR, and their criteria for which are allowed to pass along the love and which are not are a closely-guarded business secret.

My

--Torka

__________________
Diane Aull - NineYards.com: Helping Businesses Do Business Online
Whether you think you can, or that you can't, you are usually right.
torka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd July 2007, 12:32 PM   #3
SeattleCPA
VIP Contributor
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle, Washington
Posts: 203
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by torka View Post
How quickly they will notice the link depends on how often they spider the page the link is on, which can be a highly variable number depending on their perceived "importance" of the page and how often, generally speaking, the page changes.
Yeah, that makes sense. A link can't "count" until the search engine revisits the page and sees the link for the first time.

As to your other points, that not all links "share the love"... that's an interesting observation/hypothesis/whatever. I find it very believable.

Thank you Torka.

BTW, this makes me share something else I sort of think I'd do were I a search engine... I think I'd count the first link more than the hundredth link. I.e., I think I'd apply a diminishing marginal utilty weighting factor or something.

Using this line of thought, I'd see a 100 links from a 100 different web sites as much weightier or whatever than 100 links from the same web site. Note that I'm assuming everything else is absolutely equal.

__________________
Steve Nelson, Publisher, www dot llcsexplained dot com and www dot fasteasyincorporationkits dot com.

Last edited by SeattleCPA; 23rd July 2007 at 12:35 PM.
SeattleCPA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd July 2007, 01:38 PM   #4
pete
VIP Contributor
 
pete's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 495
Default

Hours, days, weeks, eternity.....

Get the links on popular forums, such as this, craigs list, etc. as those are spidered several times a day, at least.

Put them on one of my sites and never hear from them again...sigh.

pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th July 2007, 09:00 AM   #5
SeattleCPA
VIP Contributor
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle, Washington
Posts: 203
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pete View Post
Get the links on popular forums, such as this, craigs list, etc. as those are spidered several times a day, at least.
It appears to me that how often the spiders visit a site largely depends on how often the site's content is updated.

E.g., I believe that I've seen evidence of this with my sites at both ends of spectrum... Infrequent updates mean infrequent spider visits. Frequent updates mean frequent spider visits.

It's as if when the spider visits it says, "Well, shoot, little or nothing has changed since the last time we visited... we wait a bit longer next time before we revisit..."

__________________
Steve Nelson, Publisher, www dot llcsexplained dot com and www dot fasteasyincorporationkits dot com.
SeattleCPA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th July 2007, 10:25 PM   #6
Debra
Moderator
 
Debra's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Posts: 443

Search Engine Guide Blogger

Default

Quote:
It appears to me that how often the spiders visit a site largely depends on how often the site's content is updated.
My main site, Alliance-Link.com has toolbar PageRank of 5, about 8 total pages to it and hasn't been updated in over a year and yet, I'm crawled almost every day according to my independent stat program and Google's WMTools.

I think it's less about content changing than it is about inbound links being followed.

Quote:
is there a consensus as to how long search engines take to recognize and reward links.
I don't think there is or at least, I've never seen one. My short answer would be, less time for those with more and higher PageRank pages linking to them than those with less and lower PageRank pages pointing to them AND

It depends on how competitive the terms were. Would it take more to pop "online gambling" versus "picnic tables"? I'd say so!



__________________
Debra Mastaler
Alliance-Link
The Link Spiel
Debra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th July 2007, 11:28 PM   #7
east2west
VIP Contributor
 
east2west's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Guangzhou, China
Posts: 378
Send a message via Yahoo to east2west
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Debra View Post
My main site, Alliance-Link.com has toolbar PageRank of 5, about 8 total pages to it and hasn't been updated in over a year and yet, I'm crawled almost every day according to my independent stat program and Google's WMTools.

I think it's less about content changing than it is about inbound links being followed.



I don't think there is or at least, I've never seen one. My short answer would be, less time for those with more and higher PageRank pages linking to them than those with less and lower PageRank pages pointing to them AND

It depends on how competitive the terms were. Would it take more to pop "online gambling" versus "picnic tables"? I'd say so!

Good post here!

__________________
All Zombie Attacks.com

http://www.azattacks.com
east2west is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th July 2007, 11:34 AM   #8
SeattleCPA
VIP Contributor
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle, Washington
Posts: 203
Default

Thanks Debra. Good stuff in your comments. Very useful.

__________________
Steve Nelson, Publisher, www dot llcsexplained dot com and www dot fasteasyincorporationkits dot com.
SeattleCPA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26th July 2007, 05:26 AM   #9
andyf
Member
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 12
Default

I agree with you all....It all depend on the speed of indexing and updating backlink database by Google. IMO high PR and fast updating sites have spiders more often on their site to see the change and index it accordingly.
So it is better to have a link from high PR site and with high traffic.

andyf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26th July 2007, 03:40 PM   #10
Logan
Administrator
 

Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 7,457

Default

To clear up things regarding PageRank, all of the opinions regarding googlebot factoring in a page's pagerank to determine the activity of visits - this is my understanding as well.

While Google's PageRank is a formula often discussed in relation to the algorithm and a page's ranking, Google also uses PageRank for other things - including googlebot's spidering. I heard this at an SES conference a few years ago (from a non-cutts google engineer). Think of it as if the frequency of visits starts at 10 and works its way down. Remember pagerank ~ importance. Part of the benefit of a higher PageRank is more frequent spidering. Froogle also use(d) pagerank ... and other things google does as well - i suppose. So while pagerank itself isn't as important as before, and many don't think it is a good barometer to consider regarding ranking ... pagerank itself impacts more than a site's ranking with google ... googlebot activity specifically... and kind of fundamental to google. Since other search engines/spiders also work in a similar manner regarding following links and spidering, you can also anticipate it to work roughly in the same way with them.

__________________
Free Links - Promote Your Website For Free
Online Guide - Directory Of Free Stuff Online
Logan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply   

Bookmarks




Thread Tools

Get Updates
RSS Feeds:
RSS Feed for Link Development RSS for this Category Only: Link Development

RSS Feed for Small Business Ideas Forum RSS for Entire Forum
Forum Rules


Sponsor


More Info
Small Business News
Small Business Articles
Small Business Resources
Small Business Software
Small Business Opportunities
Small Business Loans
Glossary
Link To Us


bizXpress
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


Our volunteer moderators and their sites:
David Wallace
SearchRank - Organic Search Engine Optimization
Old Welsh Guy
Internet Marketing from Wales in the UK
torka
NineYards.com: Helping Businesses Do Business Online
StupidScript
FraternityMed.com - Health, Illness and Wellness information for young people.
Crimson Fox
Graphic Design and Brand Promotion and the Brand Design Blog
St0n3y
Search Marketing Results - Pole Position Marketing!
Search Marketing Info - (EMP) E-Marketing Performance
Matt McGee
Small Business SEM - Web marketing discussion for small businesses.
Karri
snap! virtual associates inc. - Internet marketing services for the progressive entrepreneur.
mktgbiz
Promotional Items Marketing
What I REALLY think!
ChristineG
Free Online Marketing and Social Media Tips: Social Media Simplified for Small Business Owners
Logan
Free Links - Free Advertising
Free Guide - Online Directory
Debra Mastaler
Alliance-Link
The Link Spiel Blog
Logan
At Your Business - Small Business Directory
Free Business Forms - Prewritten Documents
Jennifer Cario
Search Engine Guide - Search Engine Marketing and Social Media Marketing Advice

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2004 - 2012 K. Clough, Inc. - Privacy