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Old 28th February 2015, 11:50 AM   #61
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1. Do you have brothers and sisters and were you raised together as a family?
yes, and yes
2. Is your father still living? If so, how often do you see him?
yes, everyday...I live with him.
3. How would you describe your relationship with him?
were ok. we talk everyday. we don't do much "He never has the money" or is "Tired from work"
4. What is his opinion of you?
Thinks Im a "mooch" and "lazy" and "don't wanna work"
5. Is there anything you always wanted from him but never got?
for him to do more, rather than just sit there an watch tv.
6. Regarding the "Get a job" statement - How often does he make this or similar statements?
EVERYDAY!
7. Regarding "You can take orders or follow rules" - did you mean to say, "You CAN'T take orders or follow rules"? About what age is your earliest recollection of him saying this to you?
17ish
8. Looking back even further into your childhood, can you think of a time before the "take orders" comment? What was his critisism then, and what age were you, approximately?
"You think your a badass" - ages 14-16
EDIT - says my problem is that I want a beach house and a boat and money to gamble and a condo downtown and a nice car and spending money. That I cant just accept 40, 50 , 60 k a year and be happy.
My mom also says im all about money and its a "shame"
Very informative, Mike - thanks for sharing and for being honest. This is very important and I honor you for opening up like this.

1. Tell me about your brothers and sisters.

2. Have you ever left home and had your own place?
If yes, Why did you go back?
If no, Why not?

3. Is money (and expecially the lack of it) a constant topic of conversation in your household? How far back does that go in your memory?

4. How does being considered a "mooch" and "lazy" make you feel?

5. When was the last time you did anything together as father and son? What did you do? How was it?

8. "Badass" Is this when you were getting into trouble? Were you running with a "bad crowd"?

Re: your edit - Are they both right or wrong? I notice you chose "MoneyMike111" as your moniker on this forum - why is that?
Please comment further on how this does or does not represent the real you.


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Old 28th February 2015, 08:41 PM   #62
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1. Tell me about your brothers and sisters.
- My sister is a teacher with a masters degree not making much money cause she wont look for higher paying jobs. (comfortable at her workplace)

- My brother is a cop and makes great money doing it. Great benefits. Wants to go to law school now.

-My other sister is a waitress. Does nothing but party's.

2. Have you ever left home and had your own place?
If yes, Why did you go back?
If no, Why not?

No. Not enough money being made at jobs I get.

3. Is money (and expecially the lack of it) a constant topic of conversation in your household? How far back does that go in your memory?

YES! Every day! All day! A few years or whole life. My dad always complains about money.

4. How does being considered a "mooch" and "lazy" make you feel?
- sux. I hate being "dependant"

- lazy sucks to cause cant get motivated to improve myself. im frustrated about it!

5. When was the last time you did anything together as father and son? What did you do? How was it?

wow, damn. Ummm.. been a while just us 2 (or with my brother and dad us 3). Probably went surf fishing. It was alright, few years ago.


8. "Badass" Is this when you were getting into trouble? Were you running with a "bad crowd"?

- No I was a loner most of my life. I had an attitude but I was young. Always had lots of problems with people. Still do to this day.

Re: your edit - Are they both right or wrong? I notice you chose "MoneyMike111" as your moniker on this forum - why is that?
Please comment further on how this does or does not represent the real you.

-Im not all about the money. I just want a decent salary so I can enjoy the lifestyle I have in mind. 150k a year would be ideal! Just enough to have and do everything I pretty much want to...

- MoneyMike is just a screenname. I used to watch WWE Wrestling so its almost like a gimmick for fun. I have the million dollar title hanging on my wall lol

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Old 28th February 2015, 09:48 PM   #63
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-Im not all about the money. I just want a decent salary so I can enjoy the lifestyle I have in mind. 150k a year would be ideal! Just enough to have and do everything I pretty much want to...
- MoneyMike is just a screenname. I used to watch WWE Wrestling so its almost like a gimmick for fun. I have the million dollar title hanging on my wall lol
Mike, let's start at the end - we will come back to the other points later.

In this world of human affairs and basic human needs, there is no such thing as a "for-fun screenname." Every word has a meaning, forum screennames included. With Mom saying you are all about money, and Dad complaining about you only wanting money and his complaining to the world that HE doesn't have enough money, and your admission that these conversations go on every day, and the topic of this thread being all about money... with all that, it is fair to say, I think, that you feel lack of money is an enormous part of your problem.

What if I was to tell you that lack of money is not the problem - lack of money is a result. If the problem - whatever it is - is causing the lack of money, what do you think the problem might be?


Second question - unrelated to the talk about money...Where does Mom fit in with all of this? Tell me about Mom.

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Old 28th February 2015, 09:53 PM   #64
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Mike, let's start at the end - we will come back to the other points later.

In this world of human affairs and basic human needs, there is no such thing as a "for-fun screenname." Every word has a meaning, forum screennames included. With Mom saying you are all about money, and Dad complaining about you only wanting money and his complaining to the world that HE doesn't have enough money, and your admission that these conversations go on every day, and the topic of this thread being all about money... with all that, it is fair to say, I think, that you feel lack of money is an enormous part of your problem.

What if I was to tell you that lack of money is not the problem - lack of money is a result. If the problem - whatever it is - is causing the lack of money, what do you think the problem might be?


Second question - unrelated to the talk about money...Where does Mom fit in with all of this? Tell me about Mom.
Lazyness, impatience, and the discommitment I have towards the steps to make money. Not to mention, every degree in school I start going for isn't going to pay what I want it to pay so I just kinda fizzle out knowing that its not gonna get me what I want and need.

My mom is very religious. She thinks money is evil and that me not wanting to get married and have kids is selfish. She on the flip side of my dad, will do things with me. Today we went to the casino and bet on the horses all day. Went out to eat after. Shes always asking me to do this or do that and sometimes I do.

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My mom is very religious. She thinks money is evil and that me not wanting to get married and have kids is selfish. She on the flip side of my dad, will do things with me. Today we went to the casino and bet on the horses all day. Went out to eat after. Shes always asking me to do this or do that and sometimes I do.
Mom is very religious ... thinks money is evil ... but spends the day with you betting on horses? What do you gamble for? Not money? Please explain.

And, while you were gambling your day away at the casino, what was Dad doing?

And, whose money were you gambling with? Money your father had earned and had given to you or your mother? Clarification, please

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Lazyness, impatience, and the discommitment I have towards the steps to make money. Not to mention, every degree in school I start going for isn't going to pay what I want it to pay so I just kinda fizzle out knowing that its not gonna get me what I want and need.
What if I told you laziness, impatience, etc are not the problem - they are a result of an underlying problem?

You see, Mike, if laziness and impatience were the problem, as soon as you get to work and get excited about anything the problem would be solved, wouldn't it? But it never is because you revert back to the way tou were. Therefore, there is some underlying problem.

If the problem - whatever it is - is causing the laziness and impatience, what do you think the underlying problem to that might be?

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Mom is very religious ... thinks money is evil ... but spends the day with you betting on horses? What do you gamble for? Not money? Please explain.

And, while you were gambling your day away at the casino, what was Dad doing?

And, whose money were you gambling with? Money your father had earned and had given to you or your mother? Clarification, please
Ok. She, and my father, are against my gambling when I gamble TOO MUCH. Like half a paycheck or more! We went down with a small amount she gave me.

My dad was home after he got done work for the day.

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What if I told you laziness, impatience, etc are not the problem - they are a result of an underlying problem?

You see, Mike, if laziness and impatience were the problem, as soon as you get to work and get excited about anything the problem would be solved, wouldn't it? But it never is because you revert back to the way tou were. Therefore, there is some underlying problem.

If the problem - whatever it is - is causing the laziness and impatience, what do you think the underlying problem to that might be?

This is like the golden question! I cant figure this one out.

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Ok. She, and my father, are against my gambling when I gamble TOO MUCH. Like half a paycheck or more! We went down with a small amount she gave me.
Are you kidding me? Or are you just kidding yourself, Mike?

Either gambling is good or it is bad - it can't be a little bit good, can it?

Obviously, your parents are enabling a habit they consider is very bad - If he wants to ruin his own life, that's his problem, but we don't want him to ruin the whole family!

Likewise, your mother - it cannot be a little bit of money is okay and a lot of money is evil. Either money is evil or it is not. I don't think you are understanding your parents at all well, Mike.


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My dad was home after he got done work for the day.
Mike, would you give money to someone to do something you disapprove of? Your father considers you a moocher, virtually keeps you, gives money to your mother to go gambling with you.

Can you not how odd this is?


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This is like the golden question! I cant figure this one out.
C'mon, man! It's staring you in the face! Step up!

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