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Old 2nd September 2005, 02:48 PM   #1
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Default New Article - Does an Over-Optimization Penalty Exist?

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"If you have questions about whether or not the Over-Optimization Penalty (OOP) exists or not, then you obviously haven't pushed the limits enough with your own website optimization or organic SEO efforts to have experienced the joys of running into the OOP (Over-Optimization Penalty). "

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Old 4th September 2005, 07:03 PM   #2
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Very interesting article. Thankyou. I wonder if this over-optimization refers especially to Google. A couple of years back everyone of my main keywords got me to a position within the top ten for Google. Nowadays (despite all my SEO efforts) I'm nowhere near rating as well as I used to. I do famously in Yahoo and MSN but not Google. I'm going to check through my site and do a bit of "under-optimizing" and see what happens. I'll report back at the end of the month. Jean

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I see it specifically with google and not so with msn for sure and maybe a bit but not to the full extent with yahoo. A problem i see with underoptimizing is that your established rankings in yahoo/msn can subsequently be impacted without seeing improvement in google.

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Old 9th September 2005, 03:01 AM   #4
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Question can we talk about actual figures?

when you are referring to "OOP"-

How many outer reciprocal links?
How many inner reciprocal links?
word density % of one word term ?
word density % of two words term ?
word density % of three word term ?

my opinion is that google looking at these values by time. if sites parameter grows too fast for his issue and region they "OOP" the site.


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The experiment has ended. After only a week I have suspended my "under-optimization". Things just worse with Google. However with MSN there were improvements just by decreasing the number of times my keywords appeared in my H1, H2 etc. I was doing pretty good with MSN anyway but the improvement there wasn't worth the fall with Google. It is too soon to see what Yahoo would have done with my "under-optimizing" but I'm not going to hang around and wait. Jean

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Old 14th September 2005, 01:01 PM   #6
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The idea of an "over-optimisation penalty" began soon after the Florida update almost two years ago. It was the first main attempt at explaining the changes in the serps that the Florida update caused, and it was accepted by many people at the time. But it was soon seen to have been a mistake - that it couldn't possibly account for the changes. Since then, some people haven't forgotten it, and still believe that it exists. To the best of my knowledge, there is no reason to suppose than an over-optimisation penalty exists, and no evidence to support the theory.

The idea behind the OOP theory is that different aspects of optimisation on and related to a page are given points, which are added up. If the total exceeds a certain number, then the page is over-optimised, and is penalised. The anchor-text example given in the article could have caused the total to exceed an allowed number, but I don't think so. I really don't think that the ranking changes would occur as quickly as the author stated. As a matter of fact, he didn't say that it had actually happened. It was written more like a hypothetical example than an actual occurence.

I am convinced that the OOP idea is often thought to account for occurences that are caused by quite different things. For instance, Google sometimes runs filters over the index. Being caught by one filter or another can easily be put down to the mythical OOP.

I am not categorically stating that an OOP doesn't exist. I've written this from the point of view that the OOP idea was shown to be a mistake when the phrase, "over-optimisation penalty", was first suggested to account for the Florida changes, but many people didn't realise that it was a mistake, and it got stuck in memories and forum posts ever since then. It's possible that one or more of the engines have introduced such a thing since then, but I haven't seen or come across any evidence for it.

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